My Biggest Realization

[Vinsomelosesome]

Wonderful reading all those entries. Shapes of letters communicating thoughts of realization and beyond. Questions and debates. Strings of emotions coiled tight ready to strike at the 1st instance of being judged (or is that the perception of being judged).

My brother, who is into Krsna, once told me that there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. I asked him about the awareness that we have already walked the path? That what has to happen has happened. Like that sub-atomic particle from the double slit experiment, we are all in a constant state of contradictions. That is just the way we are. We are here, we are there, we are everywhere and we are nowhere all at the same time.

As observers we take a stand and build our reality the way we wish to see it collapsing the wave function. So despite knowing that water is just a bunch of atoms vibrating at a particular frequency and that if I chose to I could start walking on it merely by thinking that I can, I start drowning the moment I set foot on the surface of river Ganga (Ganges for those far west). And soon enough the cigarettes I smoke will give me cancer because my perceptions keep telling me that cigarettes give cancer. But just because I drown in the river does not mean that also at the same time I am not walking on it. And just because my cigarette is killing me does not mean its not making me healthier.

Cause and effect is all very nice, but I believe that all causes and all effects exist in harmony around us. We choose any cause and we choose the effect we want from it, building our own paths as we traverse this cosmic journey. As personal as our realizations are, our connection with the universe would not let it remain personal ever. If there is a positive realization somewhere, a negative realization has to manifest itself, simply to maintain the universe's equilibrium... zero. So isn't it much better to keep our own realizations to a zero by canceling out negative realizations with positive ones and vice versa (Negative and positive not in the conventional good or bad sense, merely as 2 canceling forces).

Have these statements anything to do with the post? Depends on how they are perceived, yes?

Vin

[Bentinho Massaro]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Vin, I remember that experiment from that movie down the rabbit hole. It was nice to see it again.

It shows that the perceiver/perceiving is in fact also the creator/creating. There is not 2. There is not the world as an existing form out there, in which the observer gets to live and experience as an entity; it is within the observer itself, within perception itself, that creation happens. The world and awareness are inseparably complete.

Love,
B.

[jsg]

That was quite a discussion between BM and LB as to who had the right slant on things! Perhaps the following passage about a similar set-to from the Martin Buber book "Between Man and Man" can help. Buber describes a disagreement he had with another participant at a conference on world peace held on Easter 1914. The passage reads thusly:

"Obstinate Jew that I am, I protested against the protest. I know longer know how from that I came to speak of Jesus and to say that we Jews knew him from within, in the impulses and stirrings of his Jewish being, in a way that remains inaccessible to the peoples submissive to him. 'In a way that remains inaccessible to you'—so I addressed the former clergyman. He stood up, I too stood, we looked into the heart of one another's eyes. 'It is gone,' he said, and before everyone we gave one another the kiss of brotherhood.

"The discussion of the situation between Jews and Christians had been transformed into a bond between the Christian and the Jew. In this transformation dialogue was fulfilled. Opinions were gone, in a bodily way the factual took place."

I've always liked this passage since I read it years ago.

[Bentinho Massaro]

That's beautiful jsg .

Thank you for sharing.

Love,
B.

[Gale Beckwith]

Ahh ha!! Thank you. That explains why I sometime stop meditating (once for 12 years). It just stops being fun and becomes one more chore. BUT IT IS FUN!

I've got a blog where I write a daily note or two, or find something inspiring - but out of respect I won't post link, this is my first post. Glad to be in such good company.

Gale

[Bentinho Massaro]

Hey Gale, welcome!

I appreciate your respect. But feel free to share your link with us if you like. Perhaps you can make a new topic in the "Links" forum and post it there? This way we can keep the topics on-topic so to say.

Glad to have you with us,
Bentinho.

[netrage]

Om Tat Sat,

To start with, I have spent quiet some time reading your (LB and BEN) posts today, well for those who dont know , I, Ben and LB have known each other since long even before this dream of free-awareness realised, and seeing their posts I felt, they both are exactly the same as they were years back !! I used to watch them then, and I watch them now

Both of the aspects the 2 spoke about are fine, their applicability is different at different levels of realization / introspection, without introspection you will never know that there is something to realize, and without realization you will never feel the truth of your own introspective thought, if someone who just learned word realize today and got to know about universal awareness for the first time in his life will be surely look for ways to find this great aspect of life.

Interestingly, for novice they need to practice the mind body and introspect consistent progress (though sounds mundane) but this is the methodical way to attain some level and prepare the ground before attaining higher levels, however for someone very experienced who has attained a higher consciousness and understood the true meaning of their surrounding they will see it from wholistic perspective but that will need consistent introspection as well to maintain that level, at the end (once you are at a certain level) the truth is - all paths lead to the same CORE, irrespective of which way you take, till the time your faith in your ability to do good for mankind is intact, it does not matter which path you take, the ultimate objective is serve humanity in the best way you can.

[Lightbringer]

...and seeing their posts I felt, they both are exactly the same as they were years back !! I used to watch them then, and I watch them now

It's true! We were the same (at least when we wrote in this topic). I'm happy to say there are parts of me that have finally begun to change though. I'm more easygoing I'd say. More relaxed. I certainly wouldn't be trying to talk Bentinho down these days (although he does have a habit of lecturing ). All because of un-believing a limiting belief of mine: that we are controlled by habits or beliefs. I would say "I need to change my beliefs to change my actions". Now I say "I have to change my actions to change my beliefs". It feels much truer since we can only control what we do in the present. Past patterns only come into the present via our actions. Basically, "stop putting it off or avoiding it, just make the changes you want to see and they will become natural".

A new "biggest realization"?

[Bentinho Massaro]

I'd say any realization that gives you more freedom is a big one . So way to go LB!

I'll always include the lecturing aspect at least partially. Sometimes it's more powerful to lecture something than to just speak about it and sometimes it's more powerful to speak about something that it is to lecture it.

Love,
B.